Bruno Stevens in Georgia

very Good

Without willing to be disrespectful to Bruno Stevens’s work in Georgia, i feel to say that this portfolio needs an edit.
To many photos for a subject which seems incapable as recorded to explain the big volume.

Its good, but with a tight edit it could be a lot better (and honest), in my opinion..

J.J.

Great pics, loose edit or not. The image of circular tracks left by Russian military vehicles on the road in Georgia sums it up very nicely.

i think the broad edit is for archive sales, not a portfolio… since it is on DRR.

I noticed a photo that is the same image as Jan Grarup and Joao Silva, #109, the woman on the side of the road on crutches. not so hard to see who’s traveling with who… i’m not criticizing that, just making an observation.

“i think the broad edit is for archive sales, not a portfolio… since it is on DRR.”

Yes, but since you are giving a link that is indicating a PHOTOGRAPHIC work to PHOTOGRAPHERS, welcoming them (i suppose) to see your work, its absolutely logical to expect PHOTOGRAPHIC reactions, Don’t you agree?

As far as i know this site (LS) is consist of photographers at the major percentage, not editors who seeking for entire archives to buy. Even if you consider (normal) editors as possible viewers after the supply of a link here, you should know that they are interested those days for edited work, not for the whole thing.

So I think that is not so paradox for a photographer to regard a photographic work as a portfolio.

You need to get a life Jonnek. He’s advertising his availability to people who commission photographers. That would be editors. So bugger off with your logical conclusions and your paradoxes. Take it or leave it, but don’t get your knickers in a twist

Thanks for the link, Bruno. Keep up the good work!

It’s a loose edit, but it’s a very strong body of work. Thank you Bruno.

jack

"So bugger off with your logical conclusions and your paradoxes. Take it or leave it, but don’t get your knickers in a twist "

I would like to remind you that we are not in such a relationship state where you have the ease to refer to me in that way.

But i can understand that you must have a significant reason to to take this ease by yourself.

Anyway, i thought that the all thing is about photographers photographs and the principals in between.

But i was wrong..

I can see now that for some people is about preserving relationships (for a profit, or not), even if they have to by-pass common logic for performing their “community thing”.

Wade i already got a life, thank you very much.

Get well soon.

hey guys…chill out :-)
DRR is an online ARCHIVE, NOT a portfolio. It is meant for picture editors to have a broad choice, to be able to build up an edit that could go beyond the sum of its parts…a picture, or a group of pictures, is about rhythm, construction, dialogs, counterpoints or emphasis; it is pretty much like a musical partition, a good picture editor will act as a musical director. There is much more to photography than just a ‘strong’ image. You need more subtle pictures as well, to build up a sequence with forte and pianissimi, there are different criteria then simply “strong or soft”. Layout comes into play as well, images work together, they talk to each other…
Oh, one more thing…when you spend 12 hours a day on the field, before editing, photoshopping, captioning and filing, you feel it is better to send a few pictures too many than make ‘arty’ decisions.
Anyway, this is how I feel. If you feel that you can come up every day with the ‘perfect edit’ in those conditions, I suggest you pick up a job as a director of photography…

Bruno

Nice work, Bruno. If you don’t mind a technical question, how are you doing your BW conversions? I like the overall tonality, skin tones, and the way bright skies and dark subjects are under control. Any special tricks?

Bill

Stay safe Bruno!

I like the dark tonality as well (m8?)…got some great pics….

yea, it’s an archive folks, not an essay or portfolio…i dont understand all the hallabalue…

anyway, another day in the life of LS ;)))

good luck Bruno! keep us posted..

cheers
bob..

Great work, please stay safe! It seems journalist are a target there as well, a disturbing trend. Are you perhaps using the M8? Either way, excellent work.

“Oh, one more thing…when you spend 12 hours a day on the field, before editing, photoshopping, captioning and filing, you feel it is better to send a few pictures too many than make ‘arty’ decisions.”

I am not talking about “arty” decisions or about a “perfect edit”, Bruno Stevens, and i believe you already know that..

I am talking about a logical FIRST edit which can empower the body of your work..

If you show (to anyone anyway) 129 pictures of a single subject with such a motive like yours, it is very tiring, especially when there are some good images there, for someone to try automatically to make an edit as a viewer (even he is a photographer, director of photography, editor, musician, salesman, pizza maker, or president of the United States), DRR or not.

The result is for the good photos to be weaken and then the whole body of work weakens too.

You say that you had no time to make “arty” decisions, but at the same time you apparently had plenty of (time) to “photoshopping, captioning and filling” (and converting to b/w with an “arty” manner) 129 pictures, i feel that something is a bit odd here.

“I suggest you pick up a job as a director of photography…”

And finally, I don’t understand why i have to accept all this aggressiveness and impossible irony, for trying simply to insist in my point of view. I have the right to insist on that, don’t I?

YOU gave us a link of your work for entirely obvious reasons. I really thought initially that those obvious reasons where for you to present your last accomplishment and then for us to express our sincere points of view regarding what you have proposed us to have a look at.

But now i believe that the whole thing is about a celebration PARTY, where everybody must come officially dressed, having an enormous smile in their faces and a lovely present in the hand, saying the usual nice and cute words to the landlord, so everyone is happy.

I am really sorry for not getting the picture here.

I can assure you Bruno Stevens that you will not have to face again my uncomfortable presence under a post of yours.

Keep up the good work.

J.J.

Jonnek,
you are aboslutely welcome and free to express your point of view, so am I…we agree to differ, that’s all.

“You say that you had no time to make “arty” decisions, but at the same time you apparently had plenty of (time) to “photoshopping, captioning and filling” (and converting to b/w with an “arty” manner) 129 pictures, i feel that something is a bit odd here.”

Jonnek, without wanting be patronizing here, if I have a reputation for producing decent images, it is because I am working very hard for it (you are free to ask anyone who has ever worked with me on the field, I may be disliked by some, but I doubt you’ll ever find anyone disputing the fact that i am a hard worker); the ‘plenty’ time you referring to would be my normal sleeping time. I have slept just 16 hours in 5 days, it is MY choice to put my work before my comfort. All my pictures are always properly and accurately captioned, I need to file them to 3 different locations on a slow internet line.

Have a good day.

Bruno

Hey Bruno,

I was indeed able to see you working quite hard over there. Actually you hardly have time to say hello sometimes…anyway was great seeing you! I’m still working on captions but here is a link to my photo story

www.geophotos.com/georgia.html

See you someday somewhere.

Eddie Gerald

Eddie, i wanted to see your photos but strangely the Turkish government (in all their wisdom and love of censorship) has blocked your website!!! Did you insult Ataturk on there?

not found in the uk either, maybe a bad link?

Hi Narayan,

Yes I know that my website was blocked by Turkish cencorship after uploading a photo essay about the Kurdish issue. Hope I will not be questined or detained next time I visit Turkey.. Anyway the link of Georgia essay is working fine over here (Israel)!

Cheers

Eddie

www.geophotos.com

Works here in Australia. Strong essay.

Great work Eddie and Bruno

Eddie, it’s strange, because there is no problem in seeing other essays about Kurds. What was the problem with your essay for the government to block the site? Is there another place to see the work?

Hi Bruno
Have sent you a PM.
By the way Jonnek – I’m an editor and I have no problem with viewing Bruno’s pictures that way.
Your attitude on here would put me off commissioning you though.
Jo

Eddie :))

great essay…can view it fine from Toronto :))

cheers
bob

Amazing work Bruno, as always!

Bruno, great stuff…
Eddie… ditto.
Thanks, and keep safe.

Narayan.

I think Turkey cencorship had problems with the captions to the photos in my website. Try to see the essay in this Israeli News portal. Captions are in hebrew though.. turn on sound in your computer because this Kurdish song is amazing!

http://www.ynet.co.il/home/0,7340,L-4039,00.html

or try this link also. Captions in Engkish ( mirror site)

http://www.geocities.com/Baja/1838/kurds.html

hope it helps.

Eddie

I actually think it’s great that Bruno puts out a big edit like this while he is still shooting. I mean just a few years ago you would never be able to see a photographer’s work as he was making it and you never would be able to see so many pictures, ever. The magazine’s 8-12 pictured edit was it.

Eddie, got it to work now, must have been the work mac, how odd. Great stuff! I agree with with Davin, its great seeing a big edit, nearly as good as contact sheets…

I have nothing to say about Bruno’s edit, I just find funny that he speakes of himself in the third person… It reminds me of Caeser in Asterix comic books…

Alexandre,
Third person? where?
Geez, I really should get some sleep!!!

Hey Eddie, it was nice to see you again, are you still around or back in TA?

B.

I’m back in TA Bruno. Stay safe over there and watch out! someone might be interested in your Leica stuff. I almost got my camera stolen at gun point few days ago in a flagship village north of Gori. Lucky a Russian commander passed by…

Eddie

Go, Jo!

You are not the first editor who has been put off by some of the remarks made here in less than thoughtful ways. I have often in other posts tried to remind people that their remarks have an impact beyond those posting in the thread, and they should consider that before they make negative comments.

I firmly support the open, non-moderated nature of Lightstalkers because of just this…people can figure out pretty quickly whether someone can exercise good judgment with photography and editors, whether as a cooperative collaborator or as a photographer strong in technique and substantive knowledge. I intend to post something on this subject when I get a chance, but for now this seems a good place for making that remark (and it bumps up Bruno’s excellent archive so perhaps other content consumers will also see it).

Eddie, thanks for the link, very nice work… i have no idea why your site would be blocked for that. complete idiocy. I only wish i could see your work from Georgia.

Hey Bruno.

Don’t worry, it’s no biggie.

I was just referring to the title “Bruno Stevens in Georgia”. I guess if it were me, I would just cal it “Portfolio from Georgia”, or something like that…

Cheers

alex

I think that is clear by now who belongs to the team of the (real) photographers, (real) editors and (really) respectful viewers, and who belongs to the team of the screaming cheerleaders and devoted cajolers.

He was extremely precise mr Henri Cartier-Bresson when he once advice me during a seminar in Germany: “Watch out for the monkeys of photography.”

I believe that i have to take this advice more serious from now on.

Ciao.

while, at times, there can be a certain amount of sycophancy on LS, i don’t think this is one of those moments. It looks like most people think that it isn’t very fair to criticize someone for a broad edit of an archive, moreover, while the person is still in a conflict zone.

“It looks like most people think that it isn’t very fair to criticize someone for a broad edit of an archive”

Narayan,

I don’t really believe that I’ve criticized Bruno Stevens for anything.

IF you take a look at my initial post you will probably understand that I simply expressed my opinion about his body of work, after he proposed to us the link of it..!

I don’t really know how this thing took so much of a volume as it was clear that I am not attacking, but simply insisting.

But in those days of hastiness without quality , insisting, is considered as attacking, at least for those poor-minded who feel the threat coming from everywhere..

As a matter of fact, i frankly advise everyone else who feel like teaching me manners, to have a look at my initial post.

I really hope this to get to an end, for god’s sake..

Jonnek,

Could you please chill out??
Thank you for your comments on my work, I am sure everybody was enlightened by this discussion.

B.

As a matter of fact it was…

Eddie some sad to hilarious stuff on your site….

Great stuff on Eddie’s site, really liked it. Bruno’s good too, really enjoyed following events as they unfold.